This week, Dr. Robert P. Jones, president and founder of the Public Religion Research Institute, joins host Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush to discuss the intersection of race, religion, and politics in America, focusing on the rewriting of history regarding the January 6, 2021 attacks, and the impact of shifting demographics and the influence of polarizing figures like Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

We also pay tribute to the late Jimmy Carter. Paul shares excerpts from powerful interviews he conducted with the 39th president of the United States.

Robby is the author of several influential books that explore democracy, religion, and race in America. Bringing together rigorous scholarship with in-depth research, he is one of the few experts capable of helping us understand the forces shaping our democracy, and the major political and religious movements that seek to shape it in the future.

“For most of our country’s history, we have been on the wrong side of civil rights, the wrong side of slavery, the wrong side of Jim Crow. If we are this far from our Black brothers and sisters in politics today, maybe that ought to give us a little bit of pause… And I also want to say this: that often, I think way too often, even in progressive circles, we try to talk about the problem that we’re having as polarization as if the division itself is the problem. But I think that’s a wholly wrong way of looking at what’s happening. It’s sort of like, was polarization the problem during the Civil Rights Movement? Well, yeah, we were divided, and we were polarized over White supremacy and injustice. And if you believe in equality, if you believe in democracy, we ought to be polarized over White supremacy!”

– Robert P. Jones, PhD, president and founder of the Public Religion Research Institute and a prominent author whose recent book, The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy, is a New York Times bestseller. His previous works include White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity, which won a 2021 American Book Award, and The End of White Christian America, which was honored with the 2019 Grawemeyer Award in Religion. Robby’s writing is regularly found in The Atlantic, TIME, and Religion News Service and is frequently featured in major media outlets, including CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and The New York Times. He also writes a weekly newsletter focused on confronting and healing from the legacy of white supremacy in American Christianity, found on www.whitetoolong.net.